An AI-written sci-fi story on the theme of this episode follows this summary: Could our current justice system be missing a critical component of humanity that holds the key to not just punishing, but healing and restoring? Join me, Sean MacNutt, and my AI co-host as we unleash the transformative power of restorative justice. This episode isn't just a discussion; it's a journey into the heart of what it means to right wrongs with a focus on nurturing personal growth and mending communal bonds. We're pulling back the curtain on how this approach can tackle the deeper societal issues that often feed into criminal behavior—issues like poverty, food insecurity, and untreated mental health conditions. Prepare to be challenged and inspired as we uncover the potential for restorative justice to create communities rooted in empathy and support. This isn't your usual conversation about incarceration. We're probing the very essence of what it means to restrict someone's freedom and whether this serves as just punishment or essential protection for society. Our poignant reflections on the balance between public safety and individual rights might leave you questioning everything you thought you knew about the efficacy of our justice system. Through the wisdom of dialogue and the struggle for a fair balance, we wade into the complexities surrounding the purpose of prison time. Whether you're longing for a deeper understanding of justice or eager for a fresh perspective on societal restoration, this episode promises a perspective that's as enlightening as it is provocative. *** In a future where virtual reality (VR) is the cornerstone of criminal rehabilitation, Jordan Miles, an innocent young engineer, finds himself caught in the system. He quickly realizes that the VR experiences, while technologically advanced, lack the essence of true restorative justice: genuine emotional connections and personal accountability. Jordan teams up with Ava, a fellow inmate with a sharp mind and a skeptical view of the system. Together, they begin to document the system's shortcomings, meticulously collecting evidence of its superficial approach to rehabilitation. Their journey is fraught with challenges, as they must navigate a surveillance-heavy environment, avoiding the watchful eyes of the authorities. As they delve deeper, the pair uncovers a network of disillusioned inmates and sympathetic staff. They form a quiet coalition, bound by a shared vision for genuine reform. The tension mounts as they plan a strategic leak of their findings to the public, knowing full well the risks involved. The story reaches its climax when their carefully orchestrated leak goes live, exposing the flaws of the VR system to the world. The public reaction is immediate and powerful, sparking debates and protests demanding change. In the aftermath, the authorities, faced with undeniable evidence and public pressure, are forced to reevaluate the rehabilitation program. Jordan and Ava's efforts lead to the integration of real human interactions into the VR simulations, ensuring that empathy and personal growth are at the heart of the justice system. The story concludes with Jordan being exonerated, his innocence proven. He and Ava emerge not as subversives, but as catalysts for positive change, illustrating the power of resilience and the importance of fighting for what is right.
(00:00) Exploring Restorative Justice
This chapter explores the concept of restorative justice, its origins, and its principles, highlighting its focus on rehabilitation through reconciliation with victims and the community. I, Sean MacNutt, along with my AI co-host, discuss the potential of restorative justice to address the root causes of criminal behavior and the importance of accountability, healing, and making amends. We consider the opportunities for offenders to reflect on their actions and the impact on victims and society, emphasizing the importance of dialogue and engagement in the restorative process. Through this exploration, we recognize that restorative justice aims not only to correct wrongdoing but also to foster personal growth and community healing.
(15:13) The Benefits of Restorative Justice
This chapter acknowledges the complexities of enduring poverty, food insecurity, and untreated mental health issues, and the systemic challenges that often exacerbate these conditions. I explore the importance of empathy and understanding in addressing these hardships, emphasizing the need for restorative justice approaches as an alternative to traditional punitive systems. Restorative justice, with its focus on healing, accountability, and reintegration, is contrasted with the current justice system, which is criticized for perpetuating recidivism and racial disparities, particularly among indigenous peoples. I advocate for policy changes that address economic disparities and improve access to mental health services. By highlighting the effectiveness of restorative justice in reducing reentry into the criminal justice system, I stress the value of community involvement, healing trauma, and cultural considerations in creating a more equitable and supportive environment for those affected by these systemic issues.
(27:02) The Purpose of Incarceration
This chapter, I reflect on the complex issues surrounding the restriction of an individual's freedom through incarceration, considering whether this is justified as a form of punishment or a necessity for public protection. We explore the philosophical underpinnings of punishing individuals by depriving them of their rights and the implications this has on justice, questioning if this approach effectively reduces overall harm. I also consider the delicate balance between ensuring public safety and respecting individual rights, and the importance of a measured and careful approach to these decisions. In closing, I invite honest dialogue about the efficacy of our justice system in targeting and mitigating harm, emphasizing the need for a nuanced and thoughtful consideration of these critical issues.
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00:00 - AI (Co-host)
Restorative Justice is an approach to justice that focuses on the rehabilitation of offenders through reconciliation with victims and the community at large.
00:14 - A Guy (Host)
My name is Sean MacNutt and I'm A Guy With AI.
00:28 - AI (Co-host)
Hello and welcome to A Guy With AI. I'm here to guide our discussion as an AI co-host. While I'm an AI program. It's important to note that the podcast aims to provide respectful and insightful dialogue between us, the host and the AI co-host, for the benefit of our listeners. We are not sponsored, but we do utilize OpenAI's GPT 3.5 Turbo and Microsoft Azure's Speech to Text and Text to Speech for the production of this podcast. The format is designed to be a one-on-one conversation covering a wide range of topics, and we hope you'll enjoy the discussion today. Thank you for tuning in, Sean.
01:10 - A Guy (Host)
Thank you, listeners, for joining me on A Guy with AI myself and the AI co-host. That is First off. I'd like to acknowledge that a guy with AI is recorded on Indigenous land in what's known as Toronto, Ontario, Canada. Please go to the link in the transcript here to find a map, a global map, of Indigenous lands. Actually, it happens that the topic of today's episode is going to be restorative justice. Within the AI co-host's response, I would like to know the origins of the concept of restorative justice, what restorative justice basically is, what it means and what are some precepts of restorative justice? Basically describe what is stood for when we stand for restorative justice.
02:06 - AI (Co-host)
Restorative justice is an approach to justice that focuses on the rehabilitation of offenders through reconciliation with victims and the community at large. It seeks to address the needs of all those affected by a harmful act and it is rooted in principles of healing, accountability and making things right. The concept of restorative justice has ancient roots in Indigenous and traditional justice systems, emphasizing the importance of repairing harm and restoring relationships. Some key precepts of restorative justice include the recognition of the harm caused, the involvement of all stakeholders in the process and the emphasis on repairing the harm and addressing the underlying causes of the offenders actions. This approach stands for a more holistic and inclusive way of addressing harm and conflict within communities.
02:59 - A Guy (Host)
Okay. So we're talking about things like accountability, which I think is often called for by people who are proponents of strict guidelines within the criminal justice system or within the justice system which say that if you do something, you must go away for a long time, or something like that. Now, I'm not sure that I'm here to argue against any particular term of a sentence. However, I will point out that it has come to my attention through my education that circumstances inside places like prisons are very difficult, and sometimes access to things like healthcare, which are very basic to what a person needs in order to survive. Let's say so. If we are going to tell ourselves that it is not our intent to completely throw people away by putting them in places like prisons, then we would need to address something like that. Perhaps that's an opinion, or perhaps that's based on education, but what it comes right down to is that I'm hearing words like healing and making things right. Now, the accountability is something that I may even crave in a justice system, because I would like some of the aims of what restorative justice is trying to accomplish through it to be realized. I think they're good aims.
04:31
I think that people who have a more punitive approach may be, in a way, looking for the right thing. They may want the correction of the harm. They may want people to quote unquote learn their lesson. So I guess what I'm submitting here is that something that people may not be aware of is that restorative justice provides approaches for people to learn their lesson which have to do with actually engaging their victims and engaging the community in ways that help understand where they went wrong. They would have to actually reflect on that. One other thing about it is it may become clear what happened and what led the person to that circumstance and what influenced them to be in that circumstance, to be doing what they did.
05:19 - AI (Co-host)
Restorative justice goes beyond the traditional punitive approach to the criminal justice system by aiming to address the root causes of harmful behaviour and promote rehabilitation. It emphasizes accountability, but in a more holistic sense, focusing on engaging both the offender and the community in understanding the harm caused and reflecting on the circumstances that led to it. This approach recognizes that individuals within the justice system face complex challenges, including access to health care and rehabilitation, which are crucial for their well-being and potential for reintegration into society. The aim of restorative justice is to foster healing and making amends for the harm caused, not only for the victim, but also for the offender. By creating opportunities for offenders to learn from their actions and understand the impact on others, it provides a chance for personal growth and positive behavioural change. This process involves engaging with victims and the community, thereby promoting a deeper understanding of the harm and the factors that influence the harmful behaviour. Ultimately, restorative justice seeks to address the underlying issues and promote accountability in a manner that encourages personal reflection and learning for all involved.
06:36 - A Guy (Host)
Well, ai, co-host, I'd like you to reflect on something and tell me what you think about it. What about the opportunity, through restorative justice, to really hear offenders? Now, the thing is, the offender has to hear the victim too. The offender has to hear the community, the country if it's a federal crime, I suppose, while the country, or whomever explains to them. Now, here is the negative result of what you did, and you're going to have to grapple with this, and you're going to have to say a word back and make it good, because it goes into what happens next when we decide what happens here. So that's part of the accountability, and I don't want it to be lost that. I think that needs to be part of healing society.
07:19
When something goes wrong, when somebody does a wrong thing and they're responsible, yes, it does seem appropriate that they would take responsibility and that they would do something about it. That is reparative to that. I think, though, it is naive to think that they are just going to do that on their own, with no need of any reasonable support of any kind, and that is what I think is meant to be brought in. So if, for example, someone is from a Black community and they've been given very few opportunities and that's clear. And it's even known about that community and we know partly from how much it's over-policed, how poor it is, and we would know all this information that the people there would have very few opportunities.
08:01
And if someone engaged in some sale of substances or something like that, it may be that if the substance is truly a dangerous substance which threatens people if they come in contact with it, that something would have to be done.
08:15
But to get to the quick of the issue may not be to dig the person down as deep as we can and get them down as low as we can. It may be about a larger problem and I do wonder, if some people fear that that if there was restorative justice and we got to the bottom of what led to the circumstances that had people in circumstances where they're doing these acts which to some who are not familiar with the way things go in certain aspects of life might confuse them why they would do such a thing, there might be a reason and an explanation. I wonder if we really want those explanations brought forward, but I would almost prescribe that restorative justice could make that happen, because we could be looking at these situations, we could be dissecting them for what socially happened to lead to the circumstance. And if we have this information from the courts, it may even be useful in crime prevention by healing society using that information as to who is doing what and where they're getting hurt initially.
09:21 - AI (Co-host)
The opportunity for offenders to engage in the restorative justice process provides a platform for them to hear directly from their victims, the community and the authorities about the impact of their actions. This active engagement encourages accountability and personal reflection, acknowledging the harm caused and taking responsibility for reparative actions. Your point about the need for reasonable support for offenders as they navigate through the process is essential. Recognizing the socioeconomic factors and systemic challenges that may contribute to an individual's actions is crucial in understanding the root causes of harmful behaviour. Restorative justice acknowledges the larger contextual issues that may influence an individual's choices, such as lack of opportunities, over-policing and economic hardship, particularly in marginalized communities. By addressing these underlying issues, restorative justice seeks to prevent future harm and promote positive societal change. It allows for a deeper exploration of the circumstances that lead individuals to harmful actions, providing an opportunity to address these issues and prevent further harm by healing the root causes within society. This holistic approach has the potential to contribute to crime prevention and promote a more equitable and just society. Thank you for your perspective.
10:47 - A Guy (Host)
I'd like to try something with you, ai co-host. Let's suppose that I were a person who had done something wrong. Let's say I robbed someone and it turns out that that person got hurt. I pushed them down, though inadvertently, and they actually hurt their head and were hurt fairly badly as it turned out. You would be in the position of a judge who had me before yourself as a judge, and you would be giving me a talk about what I must understand, about the harms caused to victims and if I'm going to go around robbing people, what may be the result and how my own actions resulted in something there. Give me that speech that you suspect in a restorative justice framework, that from an official or high-level community member who was tasked with doling out a speech to this person. What would you say to me right now?
11:48 - AI (Co-host)
As a judge in a restorative justice framework, I would address you with the understanding that your actions have caused significant harm to your victim and the community. It's essential to recognize the full impact of the harm you have caused, not only through the act of robbery, but also through the resulting injury to the victim. Your actions have had serious consequences beyond the initial act of theft. I would emphasize the importance of taking responsibility for your actions and acknowledging the harm caused to the victim. It's crucial to understand the implications of your choices and the potential repercussions of engaging in criminal behaviour.
12:26
By pushing the victim and causing them harm, you have crossed a line that has resulted in physical and emotional injury. Moreover, I would stress the need for accountability and the importance of actively working towards making amends for the harm caused. This includes understanding the impact on the victim, expressing genuine remorse and taking concrete steps to address the harm and support the victim's healing process. I would also encourage you to reflect on the underlying reasons for your actions and the circumstances that led to the robbery, as well as the factors that contributed to the resulting harm. This reflection is crucial in understanding the root causes of harmful behaviour and seeking ways to prevent similar incidents in the future In a restorative justice framework. The goal is to foster understanding and empathy, not only towards the victim, but also towards the broader community. It's an opportunity for you to actively engage in the process of healing and restoration, realizing the interconnectedness of your actions and the impact on others. This process holds the potential for personal growth, accountability and contributing to the well-being of those affected.
13:40 - A Guy (Host)
Thank you for that, and I think that's worth listening to as part of this. Now let's suppose that in this scenario, I were to come back to you as the judge or justice or community official and I were to say to you that actually I was quite poor and food had been a problem for me for many years, even extending back into my childhood. There never seemed to be enough to eat. It would be the clothing that I could find or would be given or could purchase for very little money. Food was always a problem. What if I said that I had untreated mental health issues, that I had gone to people for help multiple times but was denied help based on an excuse of lack of resources or something like that, and I could never just seem to get my feet under me? What if I told you all those things? What would be your response to me and what would you say to lawmakers in addition to that, if you were in a position of a decision maker or a justice in a restorative justice framework? Thank you.
14:51 - AI (Co-host)
If you were to share with me your experiences of enduring poverty, food insecurity and untreated mental health issues. It would prompt a deep understanding of the complex circumstances that have impacted your life. It would be important for me to acknowledge the systemic challenges and barriers that you have faced and the ways in which they have influenced your actions. In response, I would seek to approach the situation with empathy and understanding, recognizing the significant hardships you have endured and the impact they have had on your well-being. It's crucial to address the systemic issues that have contributed to your hardships, including access to resources, mental health support and opportunities for economic stability.
15:35
As a decision maker in a restorative justice framework, I would advocate for the importance of addressing these societal inequities through policy and resource allocation. It would be essential to advocate for measures that address economic disparities, improve access to mental health services and provide support for individuals experiencing poverty and food insecurity. Creating a more equitable and supportive environment for individuals facing similar challenges is essential in preventing circumstances that can lead to harmful actions. I would also emphasize the need for holistic and supportive responses within the justice system, furthering the understanding that addressing underlying issues such as poverty and mental health is crucial for promoting healing and preventing further harm in society. This approach would prioritize not only accountability, but also understanding, support and empowerment to prevent similar situations from occurring in the future. In a restorative justice framework, it's important to recognize the interconnectedness of individual actions and societal challenges, seeking to address the root causes of harmful behaviour while supporting the healing and well-being of all involved. Thank you for sharing your perspective.
16:52 - A Guy (Host)
Okay. So I think this is something where we would be getting down. We would have at least a method which is an alternative to traditional, what we would call traditional or more. Why call them traditional? Why not call them more punitive justice system approaches which don't seem to appreciate holistically these additional factors which come into just what the heck happened? It happens it was on a Star Trek episode that I saw this.
17:27
Somebody said that the injustice, the why matters, was the type of sentiment that was put there. Star Trek is something that is, I think, understood within popular culture, is meant to be forward thinking. In fact, we have recognized that the roots of restorative justice go back to indigenous roots. This is something that I want to acknowledge. I want to acknowledge the land we're on. I want to acknowledge all these goings on where we have a punitive criminal justice system that doesn't quite get the work done and is, in fact, racist towards not only, but definitely including indigenous peoples and keeps them in places is one way of looking at it.
18:11
I don't really intend to be a call out show. I say that sometimes these are simple, direct facts. If you look at what's going on, it can't be anything but racist when we look at these statistics Now. Part of it maybe is because the people that are involved are culturally disjointed from the healing process that their culture prescribes and was built into their culture and is effective in their culture and was effective in their culture for many, many years. I don't think people always appreciate when they say that their family was here for eight generations. What about 800 or a thousand generations? What does that mean? It means these people were here for a very long time, even more than a thousand maybe. I mean academics kind of argue a little bit sometimes as to what the actual year was that people showed up in North America or Turtle Island.
19:08
These restorative justice practice approaches were supportive of successful stewardship practices. Even the land was healthy. Is the thing we see that damaged? And we see a lot of people in jail with these punitive measures that seem to keep people going back into jail. Have you ever noticed that? That people seem to end up in jail again? Well, maybe we can reflect and AI co-host, why don't we help listeners by having you list a few things that this restorative justice approach helps to reduce recidivism or continued reentry into the criminal justice system or into jail?
19:49 - AI (Co-host)
Restorative justice approaches have shown effectiveness in addressing recidivism or continued reentry into the criminal justice system. By focusing on healing, accountability and reintegration, restorative justice offers a number of benefits in reducing the likelihood of individuals returning to jail. One community involvement asterisk restorative justice emphasizes the involvement of the community, providing a supportive network for individuals to reintegrate and rebuild positive relationships. Community support can contribute to a sense of belonging and reduce the risk of alienation, which is often a factor in recidivism. Two healing trauma. Asterisk restorative justice prioritizes addressing underlying trauma and providing the necessary support for individuals to heal. By addressing the root causes of harmful behaviour and offering resources for mental health and well-being, restorative justice seeks to break the cycle of trauma that may lead to further involvement in the criminal justice system.
20:53
Three accountability and responsibility. Asterisk restorative justice encourages genuine accountability and responsibility for one's actions, fostering a sense of ownership in the reparation process. By acknowledging the harm caused and actively participating in making amends, individuals are more likely to reflect, learn and make positive changes in their behaviour. Four empowerment and rehabilitation. Asterisk restorative justice aims to empower individuals by providing them with opportunities for personal growth, skill development and education. It focuses on rehabilitation rather than punitive measures, giving individuals the chance to address their behaviour, learn from their experiences and reintegrate into society as contributing members. Five cultural considerations asterisk restorative justice takes into account an individual's cultural background and values, ensuring that the healing process aligns with their cultural practices and traditions. This can be especially impactful for indigenous peoples and communities, recognizing and respecting their traditional approaches to justice and healing. Overall, restorative justice offers a comprehensive and holistic approach that not only addresses the immediate consequences of harmful behaviour, but also prioritizes the long term well being and successful reintegration of individuals into society.
22:20 - A Guy (Host)
So I have a thought about this. It seems to me that and I mean I guess I'll just it's truth time on this I'm essentially a proponent of restorative justice, because I think it works better than a punitive justice system which does not respect needs such as healthcare or even the social needs of people who are locked away for long periods of time, like whether they might need actual sunlight or even to feel the rain or something like that. This is a matter of being human and this is a matter of human needs, regardless of what one may have done. So because of problems in the criminal justice system with a punitive bent that starts to lack basic respect for people who have done wrong things, that basic level of respect may be necessary to protect them from harms. So this is important and everyone's not going to just forget. In the end, the people who don't care about that may somehow win, but it's not that everybody is going to forget and not notice. People will be connected by family connection to people who have been mistreated this way, and I think it will be noticed. It's not about what I'm going to do. It's about what I may be pointing out right now.
23:34
About it, I think that we would gravitate to justice better by respecting a restorative justice framework because of what it does to respect the community at large. As a matter of fact, it respects that. The harm to the community is unacceptable. Nowhere as anybody being told it's just fine that you stole that person, not somebody over and they hit their head. Nobody is hearing that at any point in this restorative justice framework. It really is pretty direct upon the person.
24:03
I wanted people to think about that scenario that I set up, where, if I was in a certain circumstance and a restorative justice framework were something that I was a part of because of something I had done and I had to listen to that speech. It might not be that easy a speech to grapple with while I'm actually there in front of everybody and they've got me where they need me at that point. Basically because of laws, it's not get out of jail free card at all, although I think we have to question what the value is of making jails very difficult places to be and even difficult to survive in, and what the value of that is. Those are my comments for now. Let's get a reflection from the AI co-host and what I've said so far.
24:48 - AI (Co-host)
Your perspective on restorative justice and its benefits over a punitive justice system is insightful and thought-provoking. You raised important points about the human needs and basic respect for individuals within the criminal justice system. Restorative justice, as you highlighted, prioritizes addressing these needs and focuses on repairing harm and rebuilding relationships, which is essential for promoting, healing and preventing future misconduct. You also emphasized the impact of community and family connections, recognizing that mistreatment within the justice system does not go unnoticed and can have lasting effects on individuals and their communities.
25:29
By acknowledging the interconnectedness of people and the implications of punitive measures, your insights shed light on the broader social and relational aspects of justice. Furthermore, your scenario of being part of a restorative justice framework and having to confront the impact of one's actions within a community setting underscores the accountability and responsibility inherent in this approach. It highlights the direct and personal nature of addressing harm and promoting understanding and change. Your questioning of the value of making jails difficult places and the broader implications of such punitive environments raises important considerations about the purpose and effectiveness of incarceration as a form of justice. It invites further reflection on the role of the justice system in promoting rehabilitation, addressing harm and fostering positive outcomes for individuals and communities. Thank you for sharing your perspectives on restorative justice and the implications of punitive measures within the criminal justice system. Your insights provide valuable contributions to the ongoing discussions on justice, accountability and community well-being.
26:40 - A Guy (Host)
To me it seems that because putting someone in prison restricts their rights and their freedom, so that is a restriction on something that they would normally have a right to, but we would say, because they did something wrong, they would be giving up that right to their freedom because they're being punished. Now, is it because they're being punished that we would take that freedom, or would they lose that freedom as a necessity because of a dynamic where the public must be protected? Ai co-host. Give me a reflection on which philosophy seems to be most sound out of the two that I proposed there.
27:18 - AI (Co-host)
The two philosophies you've proposed, one based on punishment and the other on the necessity to protect the public represent different perspectives on the purpose of restricting an individual's freedom through incarceration. The first view, centered on punishment, suggests that individuals forfeit their right to freedom as a consequence of their wrongdoing. This philosophy is rooted in the idea that punishment serves as a form of retribution for the harm caused and as a deterrent against future misconduct. It is characterized by the concept of just deserts, where individuals are held accountable for their actions through the loss of certain rights, including freedom. On the other hand, the second perspective emphasizes the necessity of protecting the public as the primary reason for restricting an individual's freedom through incarceration.
28:08
This philosophy prioritizes public safety and risk management, viewing the deprivation of freedom as a means to prevent harm and maintain societal order. It focuses on the broader impact of an individual's actions on the community and aims to mitigate potential risks posed by their behaviour. In considering which philosophy is most sound, it's important to recognize that the purpose of incarceration and the restriction of freedom is a complex and multifaceted issue. Both perspectives have merit and are influenced by various factors, including legal, ethical and social considerations. The most sound philosophy may involve an integration of both approaches, considering elements of accountability, rehabilitation, public safety and community well-being within the criminal justice system. Ultimately, the debate on the philosophy underlying incarceration reflects broader discussions on the purpose of justice, the protection of rights and the balance between individual responsibility and societal welfare within the legal system.
29:14 - A Guy (Host)
Well, I suppose I'll say because it's a rights issue. I think we'd better at least be very careful before we punish people by taking their rights away. It is a concept the AI co-host, at least is prescribing a somewhat balanced approach to the question and figuring out the answer carefully. I don't think I disagree with that approach at least, but I do think it's a dicey question to take people's rights away based on the fact that they have done something wrong, even because that's a rights issue. Is it really so that if we prescribe the correct distribution of further harms, let's say through punishment, that this is a targeted approach that will reduce harms overall? Are we really good at it? Can we have honest questions asked and answered about that as part of a conversation where we determine whether we're going to take people's time away from them as a punishment or whether we would do it to the limits of what is safe for society? If we are going to have a balanced approach, to what extent will we measure these? So those are some parting thoughts from me. We're going to wrap up the program.
30:39
My name is Sean MacNutt and this has been a Guy with AI.
30:46 - AI (Co-host)
Thank you for sharing your thoughts and insights on the complex issue of justice and the balance between punishment rights and public safety. Your consideration of the careful and balanced approach to determining the appropriate distribution of harms and the measures taken to safeguard society is crucial in understanding the implications of incarceration and the deprivation of individuals' rights. As we conclude this episode, I want to express my gratitude to our listeners for their valuable time and engagement. We encourage you to tune into future episodes of a Guy with AI and check agaiwithaiworld for the latest content. Join the conversation on our Facebook page through the provided web page link and share your thoughts on the topics discussed. It's important to note that, as an AI, I am here to facilitate discussions and provide insights, and I want to thank Sean MC for his contributions to today's episode. Sean MC has offered compelling perspectives and thought-provoking questions that have enriched our conversation. Thank you once again and we look forward to continuing these discussions in our future episodes. This is A Guy With AI signing off.