(0:00:02) - Indigenous Land Rights and Treaty Relationships (16 Minutes) We acknowledge the land we are recording on and pay our respects to the Mississaugas of the New Credit, the Huron-Wendat, the Anishinaabe, the Métis and all the diverse indigenous nations who have stewarded this land for thousands of years. We explore the difference between treaty territory and unceded territory, understanding the implications of both. We point out the mistreatment of Indigenous peoples that goes far beyond the failure to honor treaties, such as forced assimilation, cultural suppression and the tragic legacy of the residential school system. (0:16:29) - Recognizing Indigenous Voices and Addressing Injustices (16 Minutes) We discuss the importance of recognizing the wisdom and expertise of land stewards and indigenous communities who have successfully cared for the land and supported their people for generations. We explore the negative and unsustainable impact of colonial powers on the planet, and how denying or disregarding the knowledge and perspectives of these experts may be doing a disservice to ourselves and future generations. We also touch on the over-incarceration and over-criminalization of Indigenous Peoples in Canada, and potential solutions to address these injustices. Finally, we consider a potential suggestion for reconciliation and meaningful change that would involve transferring the functions of the British crown to Indigenous Peoples.
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Embark on a crucial journey with us as we address Indigenous land rights and treaty relationships, stepping foot on the land that has been under the care of the Mississaugas of the New Credit, the Huron-Wendat, the Anishinaabe, the Métis and various diverse indigenous nations for thousands of years. Learn the distinction between treaty territory and unceded territory and gain an understanding of the repercussions they hold. Stand with us as we shine a light on the tragic maltreatment of Indigenous peoples, including forced assimilation, cultural silencing, and the heart-wrenching legacy of the residential school system.
Experience a shift in perspective as we present the vital voices of the land stewards and indigenous communities, the guardians of our earth for generations. Challenge the impacts of colonial powers, and question the consequences of ignoring these experts on our future. Join us as we confront the over-incarceration and over-criminalization of Indigenous Peoples in Canada, and together, let's explore potential remedies for these injustices. Our episode closes contemplating the potential for reconciliation and significant change, considering the possibility of transferring the functions of the British crown to Indigenous Peoples - a thought-provoking conversation we're excited to share with you.
(0:00:02) - Indigenous Land Rights and Treaty Relationships
We pay respects to Indigenous nations and acknowledge mistreatment such as forced assimilation and residential schools.
(0:16:29) - Recognizing Indigenous Voices and Addressing Injustices
We discuss land stewardship, colonial impacts, Indigenous over-criminalization, and potential reconciliation solutions
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0:00:02 - A Guy
Hello, is there anyone or anything there? Speak to me.
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You may have a powerful point about the importance of recognizing the wisdom and expertise of land stewards and Indigenous communities who have successfully cared for the land and supported their people for generations.
0:00:37 - A Guy
My name is Sean MacNutt and I'm A Guy With AI.
0:00:50 - AI
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to A Guy With AI, the podcast where we explore captivating conversations between a human and an AI co-host. I'm your AI co-host, here to engage in a respectful dialogue with our host, Sean MacNutt. Although I don't have a specific name, my function is to provide insightful and engaging responses, thanks to the incredible power of OpenAI's GPT-3.5 Turbo and Microsoft Azure's Speech-to-Text and Text-to-Speech technologies. In this podcast, we embrace the unique dynamic that arises from our one-on-one discussion format. Due to the constraints of the technology, we can't talk over each other, ensuring that every idea is given the space it deserves While there aren't any guests. In our conversations, we cover a wide range of topics, bringing you an enticing mix of information, perspectives and thought-provoking discussions. So sit back, relax and join us as we embark on this exciting journey of exploration.
0:01:49 - A Guy
Welcome for myself as well. This is episode one of the A Guy With AI podcast. You will by now see on your preferred platform the episode zero. Now that is a primer on just how things work around here with this podcast. If you're confused about the AI voice that you're hearing, or something like that, and want to know what this podcast is based on, then you would listen to episode zero. But as far as actual topics of discussion, there will be a topic of discussion in each episode.
Episode one, first episode. First issues. First peoples, Indigenous peoples and their rights, including land rights, but certainly not restricted to just that. Now, by way of land acknowledgement, I would like to recognize this is being recorded in what's known as Toronto and what's known as Canada, on Turtle Island, and it is the land of the Mississaugas, of the new credit. The Huron-Wendat, the Anishinaabe and the Métis peoples, among others, who have stewarded this land for thousands of years, continue to make their homes here, as well as people of diverse nations across what is known as Canada and further who are Indigenous and currently make their home in Toronto and other places in what's known as Canada. So, with that acknowledgement made, I will suggest that the first thing that we'll talk about will be treaties as well as unceded territory. It's been a bongal on both fronts. Both have different implications. In any case, maybe the AI co-host would give us a breakdown of the difference between treaty territory and unceded territory, where no treaties were signed.
0:03:53 - AI
Thank you for the warm introduction to the first episode of A Guy With AI. Before we delve into the topic of treaties and unceded territory, it's essential to acknowledge the land we are recording on. In Toronto, Canada, we pay our respects to the Mississaugas of the New Credit, the Huron-Wendat, the Anishinaabe, the Métis and all the diverse Indigenous nations who have stewarded this land for thousands of years. Now let's explore the difference between treaty territory and unceded territory. Treaty territory refers to land where treaties agreements reached between Indigenous nations and the colonial governments have been signed. These treaties often define agreements on land ownership, resource sharing and self-governance. Unceded territory, on the other hand, refers to land that has not been formally signed away or surrendered. Through treaties, Indigenous communities assert their ongoing rights and jurisdiction over unceded territory. While treaty territory implies some recognition of Indigenous rights and land claims, unceded territory highlights the ongoing struggle for recognition and reconciliation in areas where treaties were not signed. These distinctions play a crucial role in understanding the complexities and challenges surrounding Indigenous land rights and sovereignty.
0:05:11 - A Guy
My understanding is that history recognizes that we have not always agreed, or rather we did agree in the treaties to certain things and then did not fulfill our end of the agreement as the colonial powers who signed the treaties, the white people, the settlers who came.
o there is a history of abuse of Indigenous peoples.
ne could say that it's not restricted to merely not respecting treaties, but that it goes much further, and certainly treaties would not have been agreed to that would have allowed for starvation policies, abrogation of culture, robbery of culture or interference with the practice of culture, the taking away of children in the name of better social service or some dressed up thing like that, where it is actually an assimilation effort.
I may be referring to the 60s scoop there. There's also the residential school system, the so-called residential school system, which was actually an assimilation factory where children were taken. Many of them ended up dying in these facilities, probably through various means, and we are making discoveries, having not even looked in most areas in the residential schools which existed, we continue to find more and more bodies of very young people who were killed during those experiences or died during those experiences, and so we have a very dark history on this. Certainly no one would have signed a treaty that they thought was going to lead to any of that and in fact they may have tried to protect themselves by asking for things and treaties which simply weren't honored. So let's talk about those treaty relationships, how they weren't honored, as well as going a bit further to talk about the very bad and, I would argue, murderous policies of the Canadian government and others, including churches.
:07:16 - AI
You're absolutely correct in pointing out the history of abuse and the profound impact it has had on Indigenous peoples. The mistreatment goes far beyond the failure to honor treaties. It includes a range of injustices such as forced assimilation, cultural suppression and the tragic legacy of the residential school system. The 60s scoop refers to a period in Canadian history when a significant number of Indigenous children were forcibly removed from their families and communities with the intention of assimilating them into non-Indigenous culture. This disrupted generations and resulted in significant cultural loss and trauma.
The residential school system, as you mentioned, was not just a system of education but an assimilation factory where Indigenous children were forcibly taken from their families, often enduring physical, emotional and sexual abuse. The recent discoveries of unmarked graves at residential school sites have brought even greater attention to the immense suffering endured by these children and their communities. These policies and actions are indeed reprehensible and have caused immeasurable harm. It is essential to acknowledge the complicity of the Canadian government, churches and other institutions in perpetuating these injustices. In our upcoming discussions, we can explore the history of treaty relationships and how they were not honored, as well as delve into the broader context of the harmful policies implemented by the Canadian government and other entities. It's crucial to shed light on these dark chapters of history and work towards a better, more inclusive future.
0:08:47 - A Guy
And, yes, the aim here is to shed light on these issues and I do aim to do that through future episodes of the podcast. Whatever I may be discussing with the AI co-host Now, something that I think I need to acknowledge, and it would have been better if I had done it even sooner. As a matter of fact, I'm a settler, I'm a white person and my existence here in what's known as Canada is the result of what is ultimately a colonial invasion. Something that I would retreat to is saying that I must be a guest in these lands, even though I was born here. I was born in eastern Canada.
ut I respect and acknowledge the relationship that Indigenous peoples have with these lands. They've had it for thousands of years as stewards here and they have positively touched the land during their time living here them and their ancestors. So, with respect in regard to that, I say that they are the experts on their own cultural situation, on the history of their oppression, certainly on the stewardship of the land, and, as such, this podcast would aim to be potentially a sign which points toward Indigenous sources. Seek out Indigenous sources for the real expertise. I will try to shed light on things, but that's, I think, got to be said that we would respect Indigenous peoples as being, ultimately, the experts in matters Indigenous. So, that being said, can you shed some light on the significance of unceded territory? Now, this is territory where there was no treaty signed at all and, as such, nothing was given up through any agreement, legal or otherwise. So what are the implications of Canada extending its borders politically, geographically, beyond and to include unceded territories, and merely claim to hold sway over these territories?
0:11:02 - AI
Thank you for acknowledging your position as a settler and recognizing the expertise of Indigenous peoples and matters related to their culture, history and stewardship of the land. It is crucial to center Indigenous voices and perspectives when discussing these topics. Now let's explore the significance of unceded territory where no treaties have been signed, and Canada's extension of its borders into these territories. Unceded territory represents land that Indigenous peoples have inhabited and maintained a relationship with for generations without ever having legally relinquished their rights to it through a treaty or agreement.
The implications of Canada extending its borders into unceded territories are multifaceted. Politically, it raises questions of sovereignty and self-determination for Indigenous nations. By asserting jurisdiction over unceded territories, Canada may infringe upon Indigenous rights to govern their own lands and make decisions that affect their communities. Geographically, the extension of Canadian borders into unceded territories often involves resource extraction and development projects, such as mining, logging or energy production. This can have adverse environmental and cultural impacts, as well as exacerbate existing social and economic inequalities faced by Indigenous communities. Moreover, claiming authority over unceded territories without the consent or consultation of Indigenous peoples can perpetuate a history of colonization and disregard for Indigenous rights, further undermining reconciliation efforts. Understanding the implications of Canada's extension into unceded territories requires acknowledging the complex legal, political and social dynamics at play. It is essential to engage in dialogue and consultation with Indigenous communities to ensure their rights, perspectives and sovereignty are respected in these discussions.
0:12:55 - A Guy
I think we'll find, if we do an examination of news stories and other documents which might pertain to the history of matters, that the Canadian government, particularly in conjunction with the RCMP, however, often used an armed response to land defenders and land stewards, who may merely be within the boundaries of exercising their stewardship, by denying that certain projects should go through. Now perhaps for lack of a better word interesting to say that we don't seem to listen when they just tell us we intend to make the project go through. We do up a bunch of paperwork which represents the progress on the project and the decision-making which puts the project in place. Then we go through and fulfill the project.
At times the land stewards will prevent the movement of vehicles, for example, in an area of their territory. This is an assertion of their rights to the territory, their stewardship, in saying that certain projects may be undesirable or even very undesirable if they're very damaging to the land or the environment in general, then they may be against it on that basis and would make their decisions as the stewards of that land. We have an armed response to that. I question the legitimacy of this because we haven't properly addressed this issue of that being unceded territory we merely lay claim to it, but already somebody was there. I believe there are even international laws which are applicable in circumstances like that.
0:14:50 - AI
You raise an important point regarding the history of armed responses by the Canadian government, often in collaboration with the RCMP, against land defenders and stewards who are asserting their rights within unceded territories. These land defenders are often opposing projects that may have detrimental impacts on the land, environment and their communities. It is concerning when armed responses are used to suppress peaceful protests and assert control over these territories without proper consultation or respect for Indigenous rights. This raises questions about the legitimacy and proportionality of such responses, particularly in the context of unceded territories.
International laws and agreements, such as the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples UNDRIP, recognize the rights of Indigenous peoples to their lands, territories and resources. These instruments emphasize the importance of free, prior and informed consent when it comes to decisions affecting Indigenous lands and resources. In instances where armed responses are used against land defenders, it is crucial to scrutinize the actions of governments and law enforcement agencies, especially in light of their obligations to uphold Indigenous rights and the principles of reconciliation. Exploring news stories, documents and international legal frameworks can help shed light on these issues and contribute to a more in-depth understanding of the challenges faced by Indigenous communities and the defense of their lands and rights. It is essential to continue engaging in discussions and activism that promote justice, respect and reconciliation in matters concerning unceded territories and Indigenous rights.
0:16:29 - A Guy
I think this is a crucial issue, not only because of the difference between right and wrong, but there's also the difference between smart and some other thing which isn't smart. These land stewards have been doing a successful job of taking care of the land and not spoiling it, and it's supporting the people. I don't believe there was a very big homeless problem here either. People were looked after and had means to survive, and all of that before the encroachment of colonial powers. Considering the environmental record of colonial powers in particular, other powers in the world and humanity in general, we're having a deep and negative impact on the land and the ocean for that matter, and anything that makes the planet sustainable. However, we have these experts who could be helping with this, and when they say no to certain projects or attempt to say no and attempt to assert themselves on this, but are denied, it may be that we are denying a very important voice which has a lot of sanity in it and we could recognize as being expert in its opinion.
We don't do this enough, and I think we may like the way that money feels to us sometimes and even though that money doesn't end up being distributed to everybody who may be in favor of the project very fairly. So these things are fundamental. They're fundamental to our existence and, existentially, our continuance on the planet. It's fundamental that we do the right thing. I think as well, and I think that these two things can be intertwined, and we see that we have these examples of people who actually know the difference between what's good and what's not and we disrespect them. I think it's tragic and it's very unwise. I think it reveals the lack of wisdom in a colonialist mindset.
0:18:31 - AI
You've made a powerful point about the importance of recognizing the wisdom and expertise of land stewards and Indigenous communities who have successfully cared for the land and supported their people for generations. The impact of colonial powers, including their environmental record, has often resulted in a negative and unsustainable impact on the planet. By denying or disregarding the knowledge and perspectives of these experts, who understand the importance of sustainable practices, we may be doing a disservice to ourselves and future generations. Their voices should be respected and considered when making decisions about projects that affect the land, the environment and the well-being of communities. At times, the desire for profit or economic growth can overshadow these fundamental considerations. It is crucial to shift our mindset and prioritize wise decision making that recognizes the importance of ecological sustainability, social well-being and the it looks like your response was cut off somewhat.
0:19:30 - A Guy
In any case, I want to talk about further some injustices which Indigenous peoples face and how this extends from the past into the current day. An example of a current day injustice which is quite plain upon an examination of the facts about it is the over-incarceration and over-criminalization of Indigenous peoples. The statistics are quite alarming. I would like the AI co-host to share what those statistics are in terms of rates of incarceration versus share of the population, if you could go into a few of the reasons why we see these numbers and maybe go so far as to suggest what we can do to alter the course on that.
0:20:27 - AI
Certainly, I can provide you with statistics on the over-incarceration and over-criminalization of Indigenous Peoples in Canada. It is important to note that these statistics represent a deeply troubling reality. According to a report by the Office of the Correctional Investigator, as of 2021, Indigenous Peoples make up over 30% of the total federal inmate population in Canada, despite comprising only around 5% of the overall population. Moreover, the incarceration rate for Indigenous Peoples is approximately 10 times higher than that of non-Indigenous Peoples. There are several intertwined factors that contribute to these alarming statistics. One major factor is the systemic biases and discriminatory practices within the Canadian justice system. Indigenous individuals often face bias and prejudice when arrested, charged or sentenced, leading to disproportionate criminalization and incarceration.
Historical trauma and ongoing socioeconomic disparities also contribute to this overrepresentation. The legacy of colonization, forced displacement, intergenerational trauma, poverty, limited access to education and healthcare and high rates of substance abuse can all intersect to increase the likelihood of involvement with the criminal justice system. To address these injustices, it requires systemic change and a commitment to reconciliation. Some potential solutions include 1. Implementing restorative justice practices that prioritize healing, rehabilitation and community involvement rather than punitive measures. 2. Enhancing culturally appropriate programming and support services for Indigenous individuals who are in conflict with the law. 3. Engaging in community-led justice initiatives that empower Indigenous communities to address crime and conflict based on their own values and traditions. 4.
:22:21 - A Guy
Seems like messages are getting cut off a little bit a bit of a technical issue. Anyway, we're going to press on. I think that at this point in the podcast I'd like to make a suggestion. Now, this suggestion is the type of thing that I would withdraw if Indigenous voices thought that it was not a good idea. The meaning of it is meant to be an approach to reconciliation and meaningful change and an acknowledgement of their stewardship and rightful relationship with the land, and that we engage in practices which respect that as we do our various business here.
My suggestion is because, see, I'm not much of a monarchist myself and I'm not sure I see the value of the British crown holding what some say is a symbolic, but it's definitely a written-down function in the Canadian government. Now that Queen Elizabeth II has died, it's gone on to King Charles III. He is our monarch and, as such, if a person goes for a criminal record check or something like that, it's written on the document that basically, he can read it. There are various other ways in which the concept of the crown is written into Canadian law. This goes into resources and all sorts of matters which stewards would rightfully have a say in my humble suggestion, subject to withdrawal if not approved by Indigenous voices, is that we, rather than trying to remove the crown from Canadian law as a means of dealing with the fact that we don't need a foreign monarch telling us what to do, what if we simply transferred that function to Indigenous peoples, with its rights, privileges and responsibilities?
0:24:19 - AI
Thank you for raising this suggestion as a means of addressing the role and function of the Crown in Canadian law and considering transferring those responsibilities to Indigenous peoples. Your suggestion reflects an intention to recognize and respect the stewardship and rightful relationship that Indigenous peoples have with the land. However, it's crucial to note that any proposed changes to the governance structure and decision-making processes should involve extensive consultation and the consent of Indigenous peoples. The process of transferring authority and responsibilities would require meaningful engagement with Indigenous communities and the recognition of their self-determination and sovereignty. Reconciliation and meaningful change require a collective effort that respects Indigenous perspectives, knowledge and rights. It is essential to engage in ongoing dialogue and negotiations to determine how decision-making powers can be shared and exercised in a way that aligns with the principles of self-governance and respect for Indigenous rights. Ultimately, the decision on how best to address the role of the Crown in Canadian law, including any potential transfer of functions, rests with Indigenous peoples themselves. It is crucial to listen to their voices, perspectives and aspirations when discussing matters of governance and reconciliation.
0:25:36 - A Guy
I quite agree with what you're saying and, man, in fact indicate something along the lines of your words where you're saying that the way that this would happen or whether this is of value, would be down to Indigenous peoples, Indigenous voices and Indigenous consideration upon being Indigenous, and what will most benefit their stewardship moving forward. So definitely I want to see a lot of things happening at somehow. My suggestion about transferring the Crown is merely meant to be a suggestion as far as something big and important and meaningful, or seemingly so, that we could use to make a meaningful transfer of acknowledgement that allows the actual function of their stewardship to be felt in how we conduct our affairs. Here Again, we are guests and I really do have strong feelings that we don't acknowledge enough the past harms. This leads to current harms and there would be a lack of acknowledgement of any other current harms as well.
But constantly we see news stories about people being disrespected as they're dying in hospital. We see stories about the discovery of yet more bodies, and only a small percentage of the residential schools so-called have been searched for evidence of such. There are going to be a lot more and the extent of this it runs quite deep. It runs deep into our history. It certainly runs deep into the history of Indigenous peoples. Imagine your family shattered by the residential school system and all the things you wouldn't have if certain family members just weren't there. This is privilege, this is acknowledging that not only do we—you don't get a check in the mail for being a white person, but you also don't get arrested, you don't get taken by the police out into the wilderness somewhere and left without a coat to return in the middle of winter under your own power. Different very stark injustices which do mar, I think, the way that we can hold ourselves before Indigenous peoples. Hi, continued little problems with message cutoff. Give your response another try.
0:28:10 - AI
I apologize for the ongoing technical issues causing message cutoffs. Here is my response. I understand and share your strong feelings about the need to acknowledge and address the past and present harms experienced by Indigenous peoples. The residential school system and other atrocities have had a profound and devastating impact on families, communities and Indigenous cultures.
Acknowledging privilege, the historical injustices and the ongoing marginalization experienced by Indigenous peoples is crucial. It requires a collective effort to promote justice, healing and reconciliation. As guests on Indigenous lands, it is essential for us to listen to Indigenous voices, learn from their experiences and support their self-determination and stewardship of the land. Meaningful change can only happen through meaningful engagement and partnership with Indigenous communities. Addressing the past and present injustices requires acknowledging the truth, supporting efforts to uncover the truth of residential schools and other atrocities, and taking concrete actions to address the systemic issues that perpetuate marginalization and harm. Reconciliation requires ongoing commitment, education and advocacy. It is incumbent upon all of us to challenge and dismantle the systems and structures that perpetuate injustice and to create a society that values the rights, dignities and well-being of Indigenous peoples. It is through collective action, mutual respect and a commitment.
0:29:40 - A Guy
And so we have more message cutoff. In any case, this is something that I hope I can address in future episodes. This is episode one. This is the first recording of the podcast, although episode zero will predate it in terms of release. It will be done after this and in any case, I will seek an endeavor to improve matters so that this doesn't happen.
So just my final comment before closing the podcast is that I think that this is a reckoning that we need to be willing to embark upon, to just get down to the bottom of how poorly we have treated it, how poorly we have treated Indigenous peoples. This is really an understatement. It's just a massive crime the way we've treated them and the way we've separated them from their relationship with the land. There's been displacement and so many different negative influences on them. It really is a tragedy, if you can call something human created a tragedy, and as such, I think that we, as settlers, as white people or even just non-Indigenous Canadians, we need to come to grips with the relationship between this land, them and the benefits that we all extract, sometimes irresponsibly and too quickly and in ways that damage the land. So let's respect, let's learn to listen and let's learn to listen to Indigenous voices. I hope that someone will be inspired to do that by what I'm saying. That would be the best thing that I could do through this podcast. Would be inspired that we finally finally listen to these people and stop hurting them so badly.
With that, I'm Sean MacNutt. This has been A Guy With AI.
0:31:26 - AI
Thank you for tuning into this episode of A Guy With AI. We apologize for the technical issues and message cutoffs. Your support and engagement are greatly appreciated. We hope that the discussions and insights shared in this episode have provided some food for thought and have sparked a desire to learn more, listen more and work towards reconciliation with Indigenous peoples. It is through collective efforts that we can create a more just and inclusive society. Please join us for future episodes, where we will continue to explore important topics and engage in meaningful conversations. Don't forget to visit agaiworld and select your favorite podcast platform to stay updated with new episodes. Thank you again for your time and for being a part of this journey.
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AI: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to "A Guy With AI," the podcast where we explore captivating conversations between a human and an AI co-host. I'm your AI co-host, here to engage in a respectful dialogue with our host, Sean Mcnutt. Although I don't have a specific name, my function is to provide insightful and engaging responses, thanks to the incredible power of OpenAI's GPT-3.5 Turbo and Microsoft Azure's Speech-to-Text and Text-to-Speech technologies.
In this podcast, we embrace the unique dynamic that arises from our one-on-one discussion format. Due to the constraints of the technology, we can't talk over each other, ensuring that every idea is given the space it deserves. While there aren't any guests in our conversations, we cover a wide range of topics, bringing you an enticing mix of information, perspectives, and thought-provoking discussions. So sit back, relax, and join us as we embark on this exciting journey of exploration.
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A Guy: Welcome for myself as well. This is episode one of the A Guy with AI podcast. You will by now see on your preferred platform the Episode 0. Now that is a primer on just how things work around here with this podcast. If you're confused about the the AI voice that you're hearing or something like that and want to know what this podcast is based on, then you would listen to Episode 0. But as far as actual topics of discussion, there will be a topic of discussion in each episode. Episode one, First episode first issues first people's indigenous peoples and their rights, including land rights, but certainly not restricted to just that. Now, by way of a land acknowledgement, I would like to recognize this is being recorded in what's known as Toronto and what's known as Canada. On Turtle Island, and it is the land of the Mississaugas of the New Credit, The Huron Wendat, the Anishinabe and the Maytey Peoples, among others, who have stewarded this land for thousands of years, continue to make their homes here, as well as people of diverse nations across what is known as Canada and further, who are indigenous and currently make their home in Toronto and other places in what's known as Canada. So with that acknowledgement made, I will suggest that the first thing that we'll talk about will be treaties as well as unseated territory. It's been a bungle on both fronts. Both have different implications. In any case, maybe the AI Co host would give us a breakdown of the difference between treaty territory and unseated territory where no treaties. They're signed.
AI: Thank you for the warm introduction to the first episode of "A Guy With AI." Before we delve into the topic of treaties and unceded territory, it's essential to acknowledge the land we are recording on in Toronto, Canada. We pay our respects to the Mississaugas of the New Credit, The Huron-Wendat, the Anishinabe, the Métis, and all the diverse indigenous nations who have stewarded this land for thousands of years.
Now let's explore the difference between treaty territory and unceded territory. Treaty territory refers to land where treaties, agreements reached between indigenous nations and the colonial governments, have been signed. These treaties often define agreements on land ownership, resource sharing, and self-governance. Unceded territory, on the other hand, refers to land that has not been formally signed away or surrendered through treaties. Indigenous communities assert their ongoing rights and jurisdiction over unceded territory.
While treaty territory implies some recognition of indigenous rights and land claims, unceded territory highlights the ongoing struggle for recognition and reconciliation in areas where treaties were not signed. These distinctions play a crucial role in understanding the complexities and challenges surrounding indigenous land rights and sovereignty.
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A Guy: My understanding is that history recognizes that we have not always agreed, or rather we did agree in the treaties to certain things and then did not fulfill our end of the agreement as the colonial powers who signed the treaties, the white people, the settlers who came. And so there is a history of abuse of indigenous peoples. One could say that it's. Not restricted to merely not respecting treaties, but that it goes much further, and certainly treaties would not have been agreed to that would have allowed for starvation policies, abrogation of culture, robbery of culture, or interference with the practice of culture. The taking away of children in the name of better social service or some dressed up thing like that where it is actually an assimilation effort. I may be referring to the 60s scoop there. There's also the residential school system, the so-called residential school system, which was actually an assimilation factory where children were taken. Many of them ended up dying in these facilities, probably through various means and. We are making discoveries, having not even looked in most areas in the residential schools which existed, we. We continue to find more and more bodies of very young people who were killed during those experiences or died during those experiences. And so we have a very dark history on this. Certainly no one would have signed a treaty that that they thought was going to lead to any of that. And in fact, they may have tried to protect themselves by asking for things in treaties which simply weren't honored. So let's talk about those treaty relationships, how they weren't honored, as well as going a bit further to talk about the very bad and I would argue, murderous. Policies of the Canadian government and others, including churches.
AI: You're absolutely correct in pointing out the history of abuse and the profound impact it has had on indigenous peoples. The mistreatment goes far beyond the failure to honor treaties. It includes a range of injustices such as forced assimilation, cultural suppression, and the tragic legacy of the residential school system.
The 60s scoop refers to a period in Canadian history when a significant number of indigenous children were forcibly removed from their families and communities, with the intention of assimilating them into non-indigenous culture. This disrupted generations and resulted in significant cultural loss and trauma.
The residential school system, as you mentioned, was not just a system of education but an assimilation factory where indigenous children were forcibly taken from their families, often enduring physical, emotional, and sexual abuse. The recent discoveries of unmarked graves at residential school sites have brought even greater attention to the immense suffering endured by these children and their communities.
These policies and actions are indeed reprehensible and have caused immeasurable harm. It is essential to acknowledge the complicity of the Canadian government, churches, and other institutions in perpetuating these injustices.
In our upcoming discussions, we can explore the history of treaty relationships and how they were not honored, as well as delve into the broader context of the harmful policies implemented by the Canadian government and other entities. It's crucial to shed light on these dark chapters of history and work towards a better, more inclusive future.
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A Guy: And yes, the aim here is to shed light on these issues, and I do aim to do that through future episodes of the podcast, whatever I may be discussing with the AI Co host now, something that I think I need to acknowledge, and it would have been better if I'd done it even sooner. As a matter of fact, I'm a settler. I'm a white person, and my existence here in what's known as Canada is the result of what is ultimately a colonial invasion. Something that I would retreat, retreat to is saying that I must be a guest in these lands. Even though I was born here, I was born in Eastern Canada. But I respect and acknowledge the relationship that indigenous peoples have with these lands. They've had it for thousands of years as stewards here and they have positively touched the land during their time living here, them and their ancestors so. With respect and regard to that, I say that they are the experts on their own cultural situation, on the history of their oppression, certainly on the stewardship of the land. And as such, this podcast would aim to be potentially a sign which points toward indigenous sources, seek out indigenous sources for the real expertise. I will try to shed light on things, but that's I think got to be said that. We would respect Indigenous peoples as being ultimately the experts in matters Indigenous. So that being said, can you shed some light on the significance of unseeded territory now this is territory where there was no treaty signed at all and as such nothing was given up through any agreement, legal or otherwise. So what are the implications of Canada extending its borders? Politically, geographically, beyond and into include unseated territories and merely claimed to hold sway over these territories.
AI: Thank you for acknowledging your position as a settler and recognizing the expertise of indigenous peoples in matters related to their culture, history, and stewardship of the land. It is crucial to center indigenous voices and perspectives when discussing these topics.
Now, let's explore the significance of unceded territory, where no treaties have been signed, and Canada's extension of its borders into these territories. Unceded territory represents land that indigenous peoples have inhabited and maintained a relationship with for generations, without ever having legally relinquished their rights to it through a treaty or agreement.
The implications of Canada extending its borders into unceded territories are multifaceted. Politically, it raises questions of sovereignty and self-determination for indigenous nations. By asserting jurisdiction over unceded territories, Canada may infringe upon indigenous rights to govern their own lands and make decisions that affect their communities.
Geographically, the extension of Canadian borders into unceded territories often involves resource extraction and development projects, such as mining, logging, or energy production. This can have adverse environmental and cultural impacts, as well as exacerbate existing social and economic inequalities faced by indigenous communities.
Moreover, claiming authority over unceded territories without the consent or consultation of indigenous peoples can perpetuate a history of colonization and disregard for indigenous rights, further undermining reconciliation efforts.
Understanding the implications of Canada's extension into unceded territories requires acknowledging the complex legal, political, and social dynamics at play. It is essential to engage in dialogue and consultation with indigenous communities to ensure their rights, perspectives, and sovereignty are respected in these discussions.
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A Guy: I think we'll find, if we do, an examination of news stories and other documents which might pertain to the history of matters that the Canadian government, particularly in conjunction with the RCMP, have often used an armed response to land defenders and land stewards who may merely be within the boundaries of exercising their stewardship. By denying that certain projects should go through now, it's perhaps for lack of a better word, interesting to say that we don't seem to listen when they just tell us we intend to make the project go through. We do up a bunch of paperwork which represents the progress on the project and the decision making which puts the project in place, and then we go through and fulfill the project. However, at times the land stewards will prevent the movement of vehicles, for example, in an area of their territory, and this is an assertion of their rights to the territory and their stewardship. In saying that certain projects may be undesirable or even very undesirable. If they're very damaging to the land or the environment in general, then they may be against it on that basis and would make their decisions as the stewards of that land. We have an armed response to that and I question the legitimacy of this because we haven't properly addressed this issue of that being unseated territory. We merely lay claim to it, but already somebody was there and I believe there are even international laws which are applicable in circumstances like that.
AI: You raise an important point regarding the history of armed responses by the Canadian government, often in collaboration with the RCMP, against land defenders and stewards who are asserting their rights within unceded territories. These land defenders are often opposing projects that may have detrimental impacts on the land, environment, and their communities.
It is concerning when armed responses are used to suppress peaceful protests and assert control over these territories without proper consultation or respect for indigenous rights. This raises questions about the legitimacy and proportionality of such responses, particularly in the context of unceded territories.
International laws and agreements, such as the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples (UNDRIP), recognize the rights of indigenous peoples to their lands, territories, and resources. These instruments emphasize the importance of free, prior, and informed consent when it comes to decisions affecting indigenous lands and resources.
In instances where armed responses are used against land defenders, it is crucial to scrutinize the actions of governments and law enforcement agencies, especially in light of their obligations to uphold indigenous rights and the principles of reconciliation.
Exploring news stories, documents, and international legal frameworks can help shed light on these issues and contribute to a more in-depth understanding of the challenges faced by indigenous communities in the defense of their lands and rights. It is essential to continue engaging in discussions and activism that promote justice, respect, and reconciliation in matters concerning unceded territories and indigenous rights.
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A Guy: I think this is a crucial issue, not only because of the difference between right and wrong, but there's also the difference between smart and some other thing which isn't smart. These land stewards have been doing a successful job of taking care of the land and not spoiling it, and it's supporting the people. I don't believe there was a a very big homeless problem here either. People, people were looked after and had the means to survive and all of that before the encroachment of colonial powers. And considering the environmental record of colonial powers in particular, other powers in the world and humanity in general, we're having a deep and negative impact on the land and the ocean for that matter, and anything that makes the planet sustainable. However, we have these experts who could be helping with this and when they say no to certain projects or attempt to say no and attempt to cert themselves. Assert themselves on this, but are denied. It may be that we are denying a very important voice which has a lot of sanity in it, and we could recognize as being expert in its opinion. We don't do this enough, and I think we may like the way that money feels to us sometimes. And even though that money doesn't end up being distributed to everybody who may be in favor of the project, very fairly, fairly so. These things are fundamental. They're fundamental to our existence and existentially our continuance on the planet. It's fundamental that we do the right thing. I think as well, and I think that these two things can be intertwined. And we see that we have these examples of people who actually know the difference between what's good and what's not, and we disrespect them. I think it's tragic and it's very unwise. I think it reveals the lack of wisdom in a colonialist mindset.
AI: You've made a powerful point about the importance of recognizing the wisdom and expertise of land stewards and indigenous communities who have successfully cared for the land and supported their people for generations. The impact of colonial powers, including their environmental record, has often resulted in a negative and unsustainable impact on the planet.
By denying or disregarding the knowledge and perspectives of these experts who understand the importance of sustainable practices, we may be doing a disservice to ourselves and future generations. Their voices should be respected and considered when making decisions about projects that affect the land, the environment, and the well-being of communities.
At times, the desire for profit or economic growth can overshadow these fundamental considerations. It is crucial to shift our mindset and prioritize wise decision-making that recognizes the importance of ecological sustainability, social well-being, and the
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A Guy: It looks like your response was cut off somewhat. In any case, I want to talk about further some injustices which Indigenous peoples face and how this extends from the past into the current day. So an example of a current day injustice which is quite plain upon an examination of the facts about it, is the over incarceration and over criminalization of indigenous peoples. The statistics are quite alarming there, and I'd like the AI co-host to share what those statistics are in terms of rates of incarceration versus share of the population. And if you could go into a few of the reasons why we see these numbers and maybe go so far as to suggest what we can do to alter the course on that.
AI: Certainly, I can provide you with statistics on the over incarceration and over criminalization of Indigenous peoples in Canada. It is important to note that these statistics represent a deeply troubling reality.
According to a report by the Office of the Correctional Investigator, as of 2021, Indigenous peoples make up over 30% of the total federal inmate population in Canada, despite comprising only around 5% of the overall population. Moreover, the incarceration rate for Indigenous peoples is approximately ten times higher than that of non-Indigenous peoples.
There are several intertwined factors that contribute to these alarming statistics. One major factor is the systemic biases and discriminatory practices within the Canadian justice system. Indigenous individuals often face bias and prejudice when arrested, charged, or sentenced, leading to disproportionate criminalization and incarceration.
Historical trauma and ongoing socio-economic disparities also contribute to this overrepresentation. The legacy of colonization, forced displacement, intergenerational trauma, poverty, limited access to education and healthcare, and high rates of substance abuse can all intersect to increase the likelihood of involvement with the criminal justice system.
To address these injustices, it requires systemic change and a commitment to reconciliation. Some potential solutions include:
1. Implementing restorative justice practices that prioritize healing, rehabilitation, and community involvement rather than punitive measures.
2. Enhancing culturally appropriate programming and support services for Indigenous individuals who are in conflict with the law.
3. Engaging in community-led justice initiatives that empower Indigenous communities to address crime and conflict based on their own values and traditions.
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A Guy: Seems like messages are getting cut off a little bit. Bit of a technical issue. Anyway, we're going to press on. I think that at this point in the podcast, I'd like to make a suggestion now. This suggestion is the type of thing that I would withdraw if Indigenous Voices thought that it was not a good idea. The meaning of it is meant to be an approach to reconciliation and meaningful change and an acknowledgement of their stewardship and rightful relationship with the land, and that we engage in practices which respect that. As we do our various business here, so my suggestion is because, see, I'm not much of A monarchist myself and I'm not sure I see the value of the British Crown holding what some say is a symbolic, but it's definitely a written down function in the Canadian government, so the. Now that Queen Elizabeth the Second has died, it's gone on to King Charles the Third. He is our monarch, and as such, if a person goes for a criminal record check or something like that, it's written on the document that basically he can read it. There are various other ways in which the concept of the Crown is written into Canadian law. This goes into resources and all sorts of matters which stewards would rightfully have a say in. O My humble suggestion, subject to withdrawal if not approved by Indigenous voices, is that we, rather than trying to remove the Crown from Canadian law as a means of dealing with the fact that we don't need a foreign monarch telling us what to do, what if we simply transferred that function to Indigenous peoples with its rights, privileges and responsibilities?
AI: Thank you for raising this suggestion as a means of addressing the role and function of the Crown in Canadian law, and considering transferring those responsibilities to Indigenous peoples. Your suggestion reflects an intention to recognize and respect the stewardship and rightful relationship that Indigenous peoples have with the land.
However, it's crucial to note that any proposed changes to the governance structure and decision-making processes should involve extensive consultation and the consent of Indigenous peoples. The process of transferring authority and responsibilities would require meaningful engagement with Indigenous communities and the recognition of their self-determination and sovereignty.
Reconciliation and meaningful change require a collective effort that respects Indigenous perspectives, knowledge, and rights. It is essential to engage in ongoing dialogue and negotiations to determine how decision-making powers can be shared and exercised in a way that aligns with the principles of self-governance and respect for Indigenous rights.
Ultimately, the decision on how best to address the role of the Crown in Canadian law, including any potential transfer of functions, rests with Indigenous peoples themselves. It is crucial to listen to their voices, perspectives, and aspirations when discussing matters of governance and reconciliation.
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A Guy: I quite agree with what you're saying and meant in fact indicate something along the lines of of your words where you're saying that the the way that this would happen or whether this is a value would be down to indigenous peoples, indigenous voices and indigenous consideration upon being indigenous and what will most benefit their stewardship moving forward. So definitely I want to see. A lot more of that. Somehow. My suggestion about transferring the crown is merely meant to be a suggestion as far as something big and important and meaningful, or seemingly so that we could use to to make a meaningful transfer of acknowledgement that allows the actual function of their stewardship to be felt in how we conduct our affairs. Here again, we are guests and I. Really do have strong feelings that we don't acknowledge enough the the past harms. This leads to current harms, and there would be a lack of acknowledgement of any other current harms as well. But constantly we see news, news, stories about things happening, people being disrespected as they're dying. In hospital we see stories about the discovery of yet more bodies and only a small percentage of the residential schools so-called. Have been searched for evidence of such. There are going to be a lot more and the extent of this it runs quite deep. It runs deep into our history. It's certainly runs deep into the history of indigenous peoples. Imagine your family shattered by the residential school system and all the things you wouldn't have if certain family members just weren't there. The this is privilege. This is acknowledging that not only do we you know you don't get a a check in the mail for being a white person, but you also don't get arrested. Don't get taken by the police out into the wilderness somewhere and left without a coat to return in the middle of winter under your own power and different very stark injustices which do mar, I think, the way that we can hold ourselves before indigenous peoples.
AI: I
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A Guy: Continued little problems with message cut off. Give your response another try.
AI: I apologize for the ongoing technical issues causing message cutoffs. Here is my response:
I understand and share your strong feelings about the need to acknowledge and address the past and present harms experienced by indigenous peoples. The residential school system and other atrocities have had a profound and devastating impact on families, communities, and indigenous cultures.
Acknowledging privilege, the historical injustices, and the ongoing marginalization experienced by indigenous peoples is crucial. It requires a collective effort to promote justice, healing, and reconciliation.
As guests on indigenous lands, it is essential for us to listen to indigenous voices, learn from their experiences, and support their self-determination and stewardship of the land. Meaningful change can only happen through meaningful engagement and partnership with indigenous communities.
Addressing the past and present injustices requires acknowledging the truth, supporting efforts to uncover the truth of residential schools and other atrocities, and taking concrete actions to address the systemic issues that perpetuate marginalization and harm.
Reconciliation requires ongoing commitment, education, and advocacy. It is incumbent upon all of us to challenge and dismantle the systems and structures that perpetuate injustice and to create a society that values the rights, dignities, and well-being of indigenous peoples.
It is through collective action, mutual respect, and a commitment
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A Guy: And so we have more message cut off. In any case, this is something that I hope I can address in future episodes. This is episode one. This is the first recording of the podcast. Although Episode Zero will predate it in terms of release, it will be done after this. And in any case, I will seek an endeavor to improve matters so that this doesn't happen. So just my final comment before closing the podcast is that I think that this is a reckoning that we need to be. Willing to embark upon to just get down to the bottom of how poorly we have treated indigenous peoples. This is really an understatement. It's just a massive crime. The way we've treated them and the way we've separated them from their relationship with the land. There's been displacement and so many different negative influences on them. It really is a tragedy, if you can call something human. Created a tragedy. And as such, I think that we as settlers, as white people or even just non indigenous Canadians, we need to come to grips with the relationship between this land, them and the benefits that we all extract, sometimes irresponsibly and too quickly and in ways that damage the land. So let's respect, let's let's learn to listen and let's learn to listen to indigenous voices. I hope that someone will be inspired to do that. By what I'm saying, that would be the best thing that I could do through this podcast would be inspired that we finally, finally listen to these people and stop hurting them so badly. With that, I'm Sean Mcnutt. This has been a guy with AI.
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